User talk:Koorb

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Players Section[edit]

Hi, I was thinking that it would make more sense to divide the Player Tabs as follows: Europe, Americas, Asia + Oceania (since their scenes seem to be quite intertwined) and Korea. What do you think? --Mikkmagro 05:46, 10 October 2012 (KST)

Placement[edit]

Imo, it would make more sense if the Ro4 and 3-4 Placement templates had the same colour scheme as the one used for 3rd and 4th place. No? --Mikkmagro 00:10, 25 September 2012 (KST)

Active Top Yearly Results[edit]

From what I've seen, and the consensus I've seen on IRC at least, this section shows only results with the team, not individual results. I've made a thread about this on the forums, perhaps we can get a wider view of this there. — itsjustatank (talk) 09:39, 17 September 2012 (KST)

The point isn't to include all premier results in that tiny box, but to show their Best Yearly Result.itsjustatank (talk) 05:21, 15 November 2012 (KST)

3 Hatch[edit]

About 3 Hatch Before Gas (vs. Protoss), thanks for stubbing it, because it was needed but it clean slipped my mind. If you have the time, can you help me edit it? It's gonna take a while to get it up to a useful level, and I'm gonna be really busy for a while. - Peterblue 08:29, 4 April 2012 (KST)


I realised that it didn't finish yet right after I made chages ;) sorry, I won't do that again :) - Ulthran7

Sage : No mention of daily events in this table[edit]

ReaZs Hi Koorb, I see you've undone my addition of Playhem Daily #350 on Sage achievments table. I added it in 2012 Daily and Weekly Cups so I don't understand why you think there should be no mention of daily events in this table. If you could explain that to me and tell me where and how I should add such results in the future that would be great. Thank, ReaZs.

Not notable enough...[edit]

Sorry man I didn't knew about this rule, ok i'll not move it again ;) By the way, can you tell me how to put a photo? I put a portrait of myself but somone disclaimed it as irrelevant... :x Shensko 02:08, 3 September 2012 (KST)

HP Trophy Results[edit]

Hi Koorb,

for the HP Trophy Group Stage results, you used the template {{IPTLMatchBoxSlot}}. These result pages are now the only pages using this template in its "detailed" version. I would like to rewrite this IPTL template to optimize it, and removing its "detailed" version would help me greatly.

So I made a Sandbox page to see how we could use the {{TeamMatch}} template instead. There are 2 options:

  • The first one would need a change of code for the template {{TeamMatch}}
  • The second one doesn't, but then the teams are displayed on 2 lines.

The second one's my favorite option, because I think it looks better. However, I thought I'd ask you for your opinion before making the changes, since you created the pages. So, what do you think? --ChapatiyaqPTSM (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2012 (KST)

I replied to your reply on my talk page. --ChapatiyaqPTSM (talk) 16:51, 11 April 2012 (KST)

My Intent[edit]

Future Talent Art Control Team (FTaCt Gaming) changed their team name to My Intent. Completely forgot that I was adding a double re-direct (since they're usually known as FTaCt Gaming), and I was hoping you/someone could page the change to My Intent, as I don't like dealing with player/team pages. --Inflicted 16:55, 23 April 2012 (KST)

Ok sorry about that, I was just trolling my friend. I created him a serious profile now, sorry to have wasted your time

File:Drggstlmay-pxp.png[edit]

Dearest of Koorbs,

The file File:Drggstlmay-pxp.png which you are using in your excellent draft of DRG's page is currently marked for deletion due to copyright violations.

Please find a proper solution, as you are awesome.

Kindest regards, --Noam, LP staff. Talk to me 04:48, 14 May 2012 (KST)

Levin[edit]

So, I took this pic of the "Seleção Brasileira de Games" Facebook. I think has no problem using it.

File:StephanoIPL.jpg and File:Stephano_IPL3.jpg[edit]

To be clear, we cannot upload and use copyrighted material on this wiki, regardless of how nice it would be to be able to use them on a page. I've contacted the rights holder in question in this case, but until I get a reply in the affirmative or positive, we are going to have to use an image that we have permission to use in that space. — itsjustatank (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2012 (KST)

Clarity Gaming Page[edit]

LOL! Sorry about that. I'm not even a part of Clarity Gaming. Virgil just requested that I make the page. Unfortunately, he wouldn't respond to me and I had nothing to go with for the "overview" section so I just copy and pasted what was on the original TL thread. :P

Review[edit]

You approved an edit to a team page that was clearly motivated by ill will based on the edit commentary reason. Editors should seek to be understanding of all contributors, and acknowledge that not all editors are native speakers of the English language. The particular diff can be found here.

I've left a warning on that editor's page to be a bit more civil and productive in the future.

itsjustatank (talk) 05:07, 2 October 2012 (KST)

You are pulling my leg, aren't you? “acknowledge that not all editors are native speakers of the English language”, seriously? Did we read the same PR, non-encyclopedic content? Let us refresh our memories:

"We were founded in 2004 by a group of passionate gamers and friends who have taken the leap of faith in investing a lot of resources just to spark a "light at the end of the tunnel", symbolizing that the country also has a chance in making the gaming dream a reality. We strongly believe in leading by example, as shown by our advocacy for fun and responsible gaming while providing the best environment to train the best Philippine gamers to become world champions. "

Is this the content you mourn for? That paragraph didn't belong to LP, period. Removing it was not "motivated by ill will", it was a legitimate decision meant to preserve LP's credibility as a neutral source of information. Not to mention that there is nothing to salvage here, except for the year of establishment, so I hardly see what this fuss is about. If I must choose between this kind of content in the page and no overview at all, I'd take the latter option every time.
Koorb  Talk to me  06:19, 2 October 2012 (KST)

Look at what I replaced it with. Mineski is a Philippine professional gaming organization founded in 2004. One sentence that is pure information. You allowed him to remove it all, and with, what it appears, some strange sense of vindictiveness now apparent. You even acknowledge that there was information within that paragraph in your reply to me.

itsjustatank (talk) 06:38, 2 October 2012 (KST)

And you did good, that's indeed the only usable piece of information from the previous version of the page. What I don't understand though, is why you felt the need to make a big deal of it, and to accuse Flotch right away of being ill willed. He removed irrelevant content as well as relevant but unsourced content, I hardly see what is to blame here. Yes, he should have browsed Mineski's website to find a source for the year of establishment and location both, and he could have been a bit more diplomatic when writing down his edit summary, but scolding him for "deleting something that is wrong [instead of] working to fix it and making it suitable for the wiki" is a bit extreme, don't you think? An editor shouldn't have to fear about being admonished when he/she removes a content that is blatantly irrelevant and doesn't have the time/information/skill/motivation to make the due research to fix the whole section/article. Advising him that he should have made this research in order to keep the only relevant content would have been more suited than warning him, in my opinion.
Koorb  Talk to me  07:38, 2 October 2012 (KST)
I did so because his tone exposed in his edit comment seemed highly inappropriate:

Seriously small teams... learn to make articles for yourselves. First 4not and now these guys, don't write in first person, write in THIRD PERSON!

Flotch

His edit reason isn't even correct. It isn't a matter of author's point of view, but rather of neutrality.
itsjustatank (talk) 07:46, 2 October 2012 (KST)

To be clear, I didn't think your review of that edit was based on ill will, I thought the actual editor who made the edit had such will in mind. But if we are nuking paragraphs regardless of there being content salvageable in them, I start to wonder.

itsjustatank (talk) 06:47, 2 October 2012 (KST)

TaeJa Rewrite[edit]

Is there a better photo than File:TaeJa_AssemblyWinter2012.png that we can use for this? It suffers from underexposure and is poorly composed. — itsjustatank (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2012 (KST)

If we had permission, we could raise its exposure in post-processing and make it a bit more useable, if it isn't replacable. — itsjustatank (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2012 (KST)
Hi there! Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find another available, nice photo of TaeJa in SlayerS colors, which is why I had to fall back on this one. As far as I know, we're not allowed to do any kind of post-processing on this picture (which belongs to SETT.fi). If possible, I would like to use another pic of TaeJa in SlayerS colours during this period, but the only others of the kind would be screenshots of GSTL broadcast, i.e. materials of lesser quality :/
Koorb  Talk to me  08:06, 29 October 2012 (KST)
I'll look around and see if I can find alternates! — itsjustatank (talk) 09:59, 29 October 2012 (KST)
Thanks :)
Koorb  Talk to me  00:55, 30 October 2012 (KST)

ESWC Template[edit]

Hi, I just saw that you fixed the ESWC template. Just so that I don't make the same mistake again, the problem was that I used a space character instead of the html code for the non breaking space ? Was that all ?

Thanks, endy 02:19, 30 October 2012 (KST)

Ares[edit]

I am confused as well by it, but MJ's facebook post said clearly that it was the same Ares that was on Fnatic, but Fnatic haven't released him, so I don't really know. They haven't played him for ages in team games though (they played the rest of the Academy roster, but not him), so it could be that they're just waiting for something to happen before announcing. I'll try email Fnatic's GM to see how it goes. --Mikkmagro 04:50, 31 October 2012 (KST)

Liquipedia Editor Review Template[edit]

Feel free to put {{LERev}} on the top of pages you move to people's userspaces; helps let them know why it got moved. — itsjustatank (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2012 (KST)

Fair Use w/FileInfo[edit]

Use |license=fairuselogo in {{FileInfo}} for stuff like File:EXtensive banner cropped.png. — itsjustatank (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2012 (KST)

For more info: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381295itsjustatank (talk) 00:33, 14 November 2012 (KST)

FXOpen e-Sports‎ sources[edit]

I kinda sorta agree with you, a source is better than no source, after all. I'm just not sure about the citation needed tags, since they usually imply lack of trust about the statements made. Neither of us thinks the statements are false, though. Maybe we can just ask Seeker to make a tweet saying these edits are correct or something? Other than that, there's this thread on TL. I suppose we could use that as a source, but then again, that source references the edits themselves, so it would be circular sourcing, which isn't good.

Basically, to me this isn't about finding a "proper" source, but about showing our readers that these statements are correct. Not quite sure how to do that, though. --Conti 18:59, 22 November 2012 (KST)

Hi there! The citation needed tag doesn't imply a lack of trust, it just means (in a neutral way) that a source is required for this claim. And while we indeed know that these statements are likely to be true, we can't let a team manager (or a player) update the wiki to reflect changes that he know of without providing a public source, because we owe these references to our readers. Otherwise, the readers who stumble upon FXOpen's page wouldn't know that these claims were made by someone from the team, the only thing they would see would be unsourced claims presented as facts, which somehow lessens their trust in us as a reliable, verified source of information.
Not removing the claims and marking them for a need of a source is the only degree of freedom that we can grant ourself in that situation (the thread being, like you rightfully said, a circular sourcing). Cheers!
Koorb  Talk to me  02:30, 23 November 2012 (KST)
I suppose this is Wikipedia influencing me again. Over there a "citation needed" tag isn't used in a positive way for the most part. Anyhow, I understand your point. However, if this is just about letting our readers know that the content of the page is correct, we could do the vaguely silly and use Seeker's edits as a reference for themselves with a note that he is the manager and he bloody well knows what he's talking about. ;) I mean, he did basically announce the signings here on the wiki with these edits, as far as I can tell. So, basically, the edits themselves are both the source and the content. This is all very confusing, though, so I'll just go ahead and ask him if he can do a quick tweet or something to confirm his edits, and use that as a reference instead. :) --Conti 03:03, 23 November 2012 (KST)

ISTabs[edit]

Thanks for fixing Template:ISTabs, I really didn't understand how to make it yesterday. Now I can learn how it works :) --Capistonblah 19:55, 29 November 2012 (KST)

Don't mention it ^_^
Koorb  Talk to me  23:07, 29 November 2012 (KST)

Photo credit syntax[edit]

The way the photo credit system in the caption underneath images works is a bit of an industry standard.

Person's name / affiliated organization or who the person works for

As such, putting my ID / IPL 4 implies that I shot the work for IPL 4, as a work for hire, which is not true. If you want to add a descriptive caption, separate the descriptive caption from the credit caption with a line break, like here: User:Itsjustatank/Sandbox 11. — itsjustatank (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2013 (KST)